Playlouder - Music is the Network

Good riddance to bad rap.

define "good rap" please.

definitely not what's in that youtube video. plain irresponsible in so many ways and you surely can't argue the opposite.

No such concept as "good rap" it's all shit - except for maybe Gil Scott-Heron and he's not really rap at all.

what about bob dylan

or chuck berry?

debateably

raps...

Well Berry did wear some bling in his day.

I'm good rap

berry was a rapper really

riding along in my automobile, my baby beside me at the wheel

modern translation goes into almost any rap song about bitches and wheels right

I prefer baby to bitch unless I really hatr the woman in question..

hate

have some hate

nah.. fuck that.. spread the love

and I checked out Burial's myspace..g ood shit.. very mellow.. back in late 1999 when I worshipped Leftfield's "Rythem and Stealth" the Burial album could have become similarly compulsive. At the moment I'm thinking I was serendiptious in comparing Burial to T Rex as T Rex give me similar mellow stoned thrills but at my jaded old age.. better.. for me.. apologies if this post is incomprehensible - I've ingested more than Blair's suggested weekly alcohol amount in three hours

what was wrong with that verse? He was addressing studio gangstas. They need addressing.

Gil Scott Heron's style was more social commentary than rap...but then again, wasn't that his method picked up by a younger generation (I'm thinking Afrika Bambataa / Grandmaster Flash / etc) in the late seventies / early eighties, for similar purposes (and against the same backdrop of a decaying NYC)? And what about Public Enemy?!! Granted, most hip-hop tracks released since about 1990 have been the same old 'bitches 'n' ho's 'n' gold 'n' guns' bullshit, but let's not write off the history of a whole genre on the basis of a lack of imagination as expressed by its latterday exponents!

...And for your information, the first likely example of 'rap' on film is probably by Dizzy Gillespie, so stick that in your trumpet and play it in modal scale you like.

Since 1990: Public Enemy, De La Soul, Jurassic Five, Ty, Mos Def, Kanye West, Buck 65, El P, Company Flow, Cannibal Ox, Lateef, Lyrics Born, Lifesavas, Common, Roots, Kanye West, Jeru The Damaja, Sole, Anticon, Anti Rap Consortium, Infesticons, New Flesh, New Kingdom, Blackalicious, Quannum, Solesides, Dalek, Edan, MF Doom, Madvillain, MF Doom, Busdriver, Saul Williams, Non Prophets, Ty, Roots Manuva, Charizma, Fallacy, Kano, Talib Kweli being just a few of the hip hop artists who weren't about hos and guns and bitches post 1990. There are literally hundreds of others but I think I've made my point.

Apologies for mentioning a couple twice there. Can't see what I've typed on this mad fucking thing.

3 Melancholy Gypsys! They rap about star signs and circuses and stuff. http://www.myspace.com/3melancholygypsys

Point taken about hip hop since 1990...but why are there so many people willing to consume the cheesy shit that gives the rest of the genre such a bad press (or is that a really stupid question)?

You mean the stuff that falls outside of your acceptable "concious" bracket? Or Common? cos Common is mad cheesy. Made the cheesiest two albums I ever heard (his last two). Give me Turf Talk and UGK anyday.

Funny that you should mention 'concious' [sic] rap Catweazle, considering the rather ponderous stuff you've recorded about the war in Iraq...

...And when I say 'cheesy', I mean the stuff that's all dick and no irony (i.e. NOT Snoop Dogg or NWA).

There was no value judgement in my list. I hate Kanye, Common and Roots. It's just all rap music is about guns n'hos is below minimum entry level.

Like Adam I'd sooner hear Clipse, ODB, Ghostface or Turf Talk doing some reportage. It's uncomfortable listening, sure, but it's meant to be.

New Kingdom. bonus point for their props to Foetus in the sleevenotes ! Not many hip hop stars have done that I suspect, and makes a nice change from thanking Gawd

oh look. another 'mark e suspects'. paranoid now ta to karborn.