Playlouder - Music is the Network

Of course it's lo fi as fuck it'a 64kb/s encoded Mp3 in mono ! Let's call it a cheap radio sound. half the quality of the music you can hear on Playlouder. And that's a minimal quality that makes the difference between sound and music. The problem with mp3s is that we slowly get used to lo fi and we have to push the sound up to "feel" the music. Then comes the generation of the deaf sound consumers who pretend they "listen to music" on their mobile phones.

-Stop that grumpy Joe1 !

Ok the song is cool..... though.

robot rampage!

kids dont use phones to listen to music, they use to to annoy elders

same way i listen to kid606 really loud

:)

hey, over here! im here! look at me! beep blup blip

Damn right, Karborn. I met an anthropology student the other week who was writing her dissertation on this very subject. Sounded fascinating...

you mix in such elevated circles! i was told by someone who made a lot of money out of it that ringtones were bling, not music. i think the music listening this is the old transistor radio - i remember david toop being very enlightening about personal and portable music

Heh, not so elevated really - It was in a run down pub full of folk musicians. It was an interesting chat though (well, her half of it, anyway. My contributions were less so owing to the fact that I was absolutely clattered.)

...and I can imagine that most people in the ringtone business makes an a lot of money out of it - anyone who is able to sell a ten second snippet of a song for three times the price of the full thing must be a marketing genius

Ok, party at home over, bit tipsy but less grumpy than before, just noticing that all this turned into a chat about ringtones. Just noticing...

tim - that was his point - it's not music it's bling, and for bling it's cheap

aah yes - that is bloody clever! I suppose that it's a fairly natural thing to do really, given that there's more competition for young people's time and money for entertainment (from tv, cinema, internet etc) than ever before, positioning music as a fashion accessory rather than as entertainment means that you're no longer competing with all these other distractions.

well, that cracked up frog got so far, someone was buuyign that crap, kids to annoy the elders.

I like gabba, but for a good part because its going to clear out anyone who isnt really keen on it at a nightclub. and it turns away wankers too.

anyone who stays wants to really be there. and that is great. so it works both ways i guess :) attracting, pissing of, and getting attention

but, i still listen to music on my laptop speakers, because otherwise im infront of huge heavy monitors and a sub. its refreshing to have crap sound sometimes too.... even old midi video game beats

when lofi gets hifi, it goes abit like this: http://www.vimeo.com/335231

HAHA PLUG!

Whenever I heard Gabba in a club I'd head straight for the drum and bass/breaks room. It utterly baffles me.

Showing my age perhaps, the word lofi makes me think of Daniel Johnston. Are LCD soundsystem Lo-fi? They're alright in a "hey in case you haven't noticed we're being ironic and postmodern; can you see what we're doing here" kind of way.

who knows, lo-fi is a tongue-in-cheek expression when applied to music. more degenerated sounds, from low quality recording, or simple basic beats, from simple machines. or the kit its coming off, a mobile phone might be lofi say.

ah yeh, goto your drum and bass. we will have our gabba ragga stagga, when they go, we all hold hands, float in the air and sing together. its great

fair enough. I like to dance though, and I really can't handle my LSD.

me neither, horrible. just a shandy.

im fortunate to have a rather vivid imagination

that's a quote I like "only people with no imagination like lsd"

and a disgusting appreciation of naughty music

the only good comeback to the "look at us we are so cool because we can handle extreme drugs" brigade

for about 10 minutes

en they crawl on their belly for a week

en a month, then it all grinds away

bye bye

I'm going to check out gabba. I want to at least understand the appeal.

has to be live

goto bangface for a night

Seems like faster happy hardcore without the comic edge last time I checked

bangface sounds scary - I've seem the flyer

http://playlouder.com/dhtml/#/content/16161/bang-face-51-fri-11th-jan-2008

its lovely

everyone dresses up silly

and its loud, and not hot

good raves are good. silliness is good.

and abit mad, but best place to hear that kind of shattered distorted shit.

if you like that, youll love it

pure nonsense

to br fair only time I've heard gabba was in a dingy birmingham club with sweat on the walls and people falling over and getting aggro. not a good enivronment

no, and bleh, birmingham.

t'was david holmes, but there was no silliness

yeah, fuck birmingham

indeed

im really busting to upload music to playlouder

well I need a cig. I will remember to investigate bangface and gabba. cheers and toodles.

id even record stuff off my phone with a mic to make it proper lofi

pleasure, pipip

additional: gabba is very comical, thats the point, its so hardcore and all over the place, it makes you laugh. your laughing at it, not with it.

Precision - My point was not to criticise Lo-Fi music, I don't mind the little scratches of my records, I like Daniel Johnston, the Moldy Peaches, the Velvet Underground but it's all about all these mp3s that are flat. It's like listening with cotton in the ears. And I see a lot of people who only listen to poor mp3 music on their computer or player. With music on internet we tend to forget how good is the music that comes through a cd player a good amp and some proper speakers. It's probably a bit reactionany but I'm not found of this mp3 explosion when music is supposed to be always availabe for free, when people strore GB - hours of sound and when you ask them what they are listening to they don't know.

but I don't deny that music on internet is important for discovering new stuffs.... Or old rarities.

there is nothing that says mp3s must be flat. it will get better and more. between mp3's and flat music, we will see vinyl taking a solid place. it's unique, you can't reproduce it, it sounds yummy and it's on the up.

retrofuture

That the sound quality of mp3s played in public places should be crap is only fitting; after all, it matches the quality of these kids' lives in general, from the food they eat to the way their parents have raised them.

perhaps often people expect them to be crap so they are crap?

This is all going a bit Jeremy Kyle, eh?

Personally I love MP3s and Vinyl and hate CDs. They're worthless. Also, cassettes were awesome but they are pretty much killed.

dont forget minidisk :)

they were pretty wicked for about a month

ahhhahaha. Remember they released albums on them? I think you could get Alice in chains and Kate bush. And a few others...

DCC

test

sorry, don't mind me

can't help it

you've just filled 1/3 of the chat window

erm

is that working?

clearly not

wot?

sorry, the socket server is behaving very strangely

we're on to the problem now then

everyone go about your business

nothing to see here

that's certainly true now

God, DCC?

I remember that

did anyone actually use them?

sort of like DAT's wayward cousin

i think they might have been quite rubbish - slow seek times, compressed audio (worse than minidisk) and a bit fragile

YEah I was having that chat thing where you write stuff then it looks like its not there - hence the massive state I caused yesterday

hehe its great when that happens eh

post

pre

off topic: If I'm not watching a certain chat why do I need the "posted in chat" update each time someone writes, should it be just once?

you shouldn't get that unless you're stalking the chat, or the person who posted

if you're stalking the person, it'll say 'person posted in a chat'

if you're stalking the chat, it'll say 'new post in (chat title)'

yeah but if im stalking hte person Im getting one line per post, like 4x "user posted in a chat"

i think we need a fist time only filter at some point

that was of course supposed to be first

yep, we're not yet merging consecutive events together like facebook does

that will come, but need more thought & work

awesome!

Back on topic: minidisk is still widely used in theatre, mostly because it's easy to record, edit and cue up.

lots of people didn't seem to know it was compressed audio and lossy

...As for getting all Jeremy Kyle: I was merely making an observation, rather than a value judgement. Sometime, I look at kids like that and think that just about every adult who matters to them has failed them; other times, I wonder how they can have so little imagination that they pick such poor role models.

Back to minidisk: in the environments where it's used nowadays, the lossiness isn't much of an issue.

it was very sad seeing bands come out of studios clutching minidisk 'masters'

Sad indeed, but nowhere near as bad as the effects of 'bouncing down' tracks on one of those cassette-based four track machines...

but that was an art form!

Homebrew recording was certainly very Heath-Robinson back in the eighties!

Yeah. Wasn't fingerpointing. Just remembering a conversation along the lines of:

15 yr old skag addict dad: Sometimes I think that I've been called shit so much, through the years like, people just keep calling me shit and bringing me down like, so I just act shit...

Kyle: You know why? You know why they call you shit? Because you ARE shit. You're shit! Shit! Shit! Shit! Get the hell off my show!

(true story)

harsh, but fair

Sometimes, a verbal kick-up-the-arse from someone with some kind of authority is just what it takes...

'authority?!' i think you mean respectability!

i always saw those wierd gigantic minidisk recording things with mics attached floating about

like this tiny disk, sat in a big box, with a handle, and a mic plugged in

" 'authority?!' i think you mean respectability!" - Perhaps I should have written 'perceived authority' to make myself clearer, although all authority is a perception ultimately...'respect' is a word with a dubious reputation nowadays.

I was gearing up for a rant about chavs earlier, but I think I've calmed down now!

hehe. cheesy chavs.

authority - respect through power

respectability - earned, well deserved

is what it means to me

Respect (the genuine article) = earned authority, at least in my book.

My usual humanitarianism has been dampened by a little pile of human waste chucking a can of Dr Pepper at me (from behind). Skin them all. All they're good for is working in fried chicken joints and I don't eat fried fucking chicken

I never understood Nick Cave(man) anyway. He's like the Aussie version of Billy Joel without the supermodel pussy to showcase a dismal career in front of the paparazzi. Oooooh, songs about consciousness of separation from God sung like a child left in a dark closet bore me. That is what the Caveman is all about. Outdated ghetto goth trash thinking it's destined for immortality. Sickly melancholy music for the unnaturally developed. Yeah, enjoy your Mp3, fools.

Certain 'people' do seem to have been shat into existence, rather than have been born via the usual route...and, no Kristy, I'm not talking about the dark and doomy Mr Cave (who's wonderful, in my opinion).

Have all the exaggerated sentiments you want over the Caveman. There is only so much of him I can undertake.

Well, he's the only Australian who 'got' goth the first time 'round, which has to count in his favour...

...In fact, he was one of the few Aussie to 'get' punk, which probably explained why he came here!

Oh, he "got" punk and goth all right. Could explain his reasoning for playing Billy Joel's 'Only The Good Die Young' as an encore. Not only did that suck, seems the Caveman gets his rocks off on embarrassing his audience.

thesvenhunter, it was me. haha. got you :D happy fuckin new year. dp pepper face!

my revenge shall be terrible &c.

i hope it involved drugging and mutilation myself.

What, no gimp masks or gold paint?

are you on commission?

No, not yet, but if they're offering payment in kind...

chav-culture is indeed a sad spectacle.. right now I'm listening to Daniel Johnston and wondering if an appreciation of just one of his tracks wouldn't wake up those shocking chavs into a realisation of how to behave in society.

Daniel Johnston courtesy of this site... Awesome, cheers!

If I see the vinyl I will buy the binyl, otherwise mp3s/CDs/this site are all the same.. vinyl rules above all

even played through a £40 argos record player and a cheapo guitar practise amp vinyl still sounds better than my CDs and the rasio

radio

This is why i think this is mostly subjective - I personally am happy to listen to music on more or less any format, as long as it's through a semi-decent pair of headphones or amplifier (although i've had to return to shitty ipod earbuds recently). There are some pretty dubious people in the HiFi industry selling all sorts of Snake-Oil cables, crystals and assorted other gubbins, but beyond a certain level, I reckon it's pretty much just placebo effect. Still, If anything means you enjoy music more, fill your boots! I just remain unconvinced that half this things make a real objective difference.

Besides, (And this is where i disagree with Lynch in the video above, even though it is fucking funny) - I don't see how listening to music on a great big massive HiFi (or watching a film on a cinema screen) is inherently the *right* way to do anything. I personally wouldn't dream of using a mobile phone to do either, but if that's how people choose to enjoy music and films, who am I to say that their preferred method is any less valid?

I'm with you entirely, just when it comes to vinyl I think there's something magical going on. Maybe I'm deluded mind.. my psychiatrist certainly thinks so..

Lynch grew up with proper cinemas where that was the only way to see films.. I can forgive him for being nostalgic

A good film seen for the first time in a theater can blow your mind

I guess I don't begrudge the iphone viewers.. just.. I dunno

I'm very drunk

and should stop posting

Certain films just cry out to be watched on a big screen; others seem practically made-for-television (both in their visual style and subject matter), which is why I usually wait until they're out on DVD to watch them...

...Still, can't beat East Finch's very own Phoenix for both style and content:

Arthouse cinema rocks; multiplexes suck!

Watching anything on a mobile 'phone is a pretty tawdry experience, unless it's one's own handiwork filmed on the sly...

...As for vinyl (not to mention big, expensive hifi systems), it's all about dynamic range darling!